Irony is a difficult word to define...

"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn)
08/01/2016 at 12:44 • Filed to: None

But you know it when you see it.

Today marks the 50th anniversary of the UT Tower shooting, when !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! climbed the iconic UT Tower and shot 49 people, killing 16, after murdering his wife and mother earlier that day. Today is also the day that the University implements its !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! , the result of !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! signed into law by the Texas governor on June 1, 2016. The law allows the carrying of concealed weapons into any UT building (concealed carry by licensed gun owners has been legal on campus for 20 years, but not inside buildings). Open carry is still prohibited.

This is not meant to be an anti-gun post. Whether or not you agree with the Framers’ intent with the wording of the 2nd Amendment, the law, as it is interpreted today, is the law. However, I just can’t believe, in my heart of hearts, that more guns is the answer.

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DISCUSSION (96)

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > ttyymmnn
08/01/2016 at 12:51

Counter-remark: Charles Whitman was countered by and ultimately overcome with the aid of local firearm owners. No irony whatsoever.

TheD0k_2many toys 2little time > ttyymmnn
08/01/2016 at 12:52

Not gunna lie as a student at a university with its own police force id feel much better if i myself could carry.

Party-vi > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
08/01/2016 at 12:56

True.

duurtlang > ttyymmnn
08/01/2016 at 12:59

When it comes to gun laws (and gun culture in general) in the US I’ve stopped being surprised a long time ago. I just, you know, gawk and move along. I liked the country as a tourist (I returned home last Friday) but I’m glad I live on the other side of the Atlantic, for a wide variety of reasons.

crowmolly > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
08/01/2016 at 13:00

Also, this incident led to the creation of SWAT from what I remember, as officers couldn’t fight a rifle with revolvers.

ttyymmnn > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
08/01/2016 at 13:03

Yes, locals on the ground provided suppressing fire, which forced Whitman to relocate to shooting from water spouts, limiting his field of fire. Three police officers, with one civilian, made it to the observation deck. The civilian accidentally discharged his weapon, alerting Whitman to their presence. One officer fired six rounds at Whitman, missing him entirely. A second officer killed Whitman with a shotgun.

TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
08/01/2016 at 13:03

It’s funny how people try to gloss over that fact.

“Approximately 20 minutes after first shooting from the observation deck, Whitman began to encounter return fire from both the police and armed civilians. One Texas Ranger used a student as spotter to help locate the sniper”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_W…

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > ttyymmnn
08/01/2016 at 13:06

It’s never about the firearms capability of the nut quite as much as the motivation and preparation. There’s nothing of a “multi-automatic assault machine gun with military clips” nature about a Remington 700 and an M1 carbine, after all.

Chasaboo > ttyymmnn
08/01/2016 at 13:09

Irony is generally confused with coincidence.

Chariotoflove > ttyymmnn
08/01/2016 at 13:17

I haven’t thought much about the issue (the guns I have ever used were made for shooting critters, not people), but I wonder why open carry is more restricted than concealed carry. On the face of it, I think I’d be more worried about the guns I can’t see than the guns I can.

DipodomysDeserti > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
08/01/2016 at 13:25

Yeah, there’s definitely nothing tactical about a Remington 700...

Kinja'd!!!

Or an M1 carbine...

Kinja'd!!!

But to support your statement about the capability of the nut:

DipodomysDeserti > TheD0k_2many toys 2little time
08/01/2016 at 13:27

Not gunna lie, as someone who has owned guns and been around gun culture for a long time, I don’t want 99% of the people I see at shooting ranges anywhere near me in an active shooter situation.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > DipodomysDeserti
08/01/2016 at 13:28

My point was mostly that neither is an EBR with a thing that goes up per stereotype. Limited *modern* tactical use with a lot of role supercession, and a lot of modern use in every other role - hunting, etc. But yes, I was thinking of Gunny Hartman quite a bit.

DipodomysDeserti > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
08/01/2016 at 13:33

I have no idea what you just wrote.

Ash78, voting early and often > duurtlang
08/01/2016 at 13:36

Boston will do that to you :D

Ash78, voting early and often > ttyymmnn
08/01/2016 at 13:37

I’m torn...I want to completely support this, but when I think about the people I went to college with, I wouldn’t want most of them anywhere near a gun. I would support a happy medium, like a student-funded and staffed campus force who just blended in with everyone. Just having the deterrent aspect present (like air marshals) might go a long way, and you could vet your carriers a little better.

duurtlang > Ash78, voting early and often
08/01/2016 at 13:38

I did drive 1600 miles. In an Impala. I spent the night at 10 different places. Having said that, I don’t think that a New England roadtrip gives me the authority to say something about “America” as a whole.

Ash78, voting early and often > duurtlang
08/01/2016 at 13:39

That's a lot of driving, especially for New England! On behalf of the Impala and the entire US Auto Industry, I'd like to apologize and remind you that we're getting better...(you should have seen the Impala from 10 years ago).

TheD0k_2many toys 2little time > DipodomysDeserti
08/01/2016 at 13:40

Good thing i never shoot at ranges. Backyard with cans or anything I can find

ttyymmnn > Chariotoflove
08/01/2016 at 13:40

My wife works at the University, for one of the associate deans. Their office doesn’t deal directly with hiring and firing, but it does deal with academic promotions, and there have already been cases of upset professors who didn’t get tenure. There has also been at least one case of an upset student who was banned from campus as a threat to faculty and staff. Of course, there was never any way to really keep a wacko from brining a gun to a dispute, but now they have to be even more worried about people carrying guns. I’m not a fan.

ttyymmnn > Chasaboo
08/01/2016 at 13:42

Cue Alanis Morissette. However, allowing more guns on campus on the anniversary of such a horrible mass killing is undoubtedly ironic.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > DipodomysDeserti
08/01/2016 at 13:44

“EBR” - “Evil Black Rifle”. “A thing that goes up” - something a dimwitted legislator said when asked to clarify elements of weapons covered by the AWB.

Broadly, the superceding in combat roles of, say, an M1 carbine does not mean that the superceding weapon is now some rarified class of weapon that is of Military Grade Lethality, nor that the gun which *was* in military service and now primarily of interest to hunters is now somehow of a safe level of lethality in comparison. I was making a crack about platform and feature-based gun ban rationales.

duurtlang > Ash78, voting early and often
08/01/2016 at 13:44

I think I had the Impala from around 10 years ago. It was an Impala Limited, a 2016 I believe, but it’s the same as 10 years ago. I’ve described it as an overpowered 5/3 scale 1994 base model subcompact elsewhere.

My 16 your old, 280k on the odometer, introduced in the mid 1990s Peugeot feels legitimitly more modern than did this 2016 model with 6k on the odometer Chevy. I can say the same about the also 16 years old BMW E39 of a fellow Oppo member I met at Martha’s Vineyard.

Kinja'd!!!

Ash78, voting early and often > duurtlang
08/01/2016 at 13:51

Yep, looks like you got one of the older models, even though it was technically 2016. A lot of time the rental companies get "special editions" of older cars that are made for fleets. But that one is still better than the "old one" I was envisioning. Plush, cloth bench seats in the front. Green LED dashboard. Just tons of ancient touches and the worst, floatiest stock suspension I've ever felt in a car.

Chariotoflove > ttyymmnn
08/01/2016 at 13:58

I’m not a fan of people just carrying guns around as part of their daily routine either. However, if you’re going to allow it, then I would think that open carry would be the safest for the norm, and it would be extra difficult to get a permit for concealed carry.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > ttyymmnn
08/01/2016 at 13:59

Peter Sagel said on “Wait, Wait, Don’t Tell Me:”

“I hope the passengers on the Titanic packed their irony.”

TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. > DipodomysDeserti
08/01/2016 at 14:16

Some context:

EBR: Enhanced Battle Rifle (basically a tacticool select fire marksman rifle)

and “that thing that goes up”

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Chasaboo
08/01/2016 at 14:18

Irony is a word not well understood, well considered, nor well employed.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > ttyymmnn
08/01/2016 at 14:18

What is your reference here?

ttyymmnn > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
08/01/2016 at 14:20

This song has absolutely nothing to do with irony and everything to do with coincidence.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Chariotoflove
08/01/2016 at 14:20

I'd make concealed carry legal across the board but require stringent education up front. Of course, this would cost money and CCW would promptly become the purview of the relatively wealthy.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > ttyymmnn
08/01/2016 at 14:22

S&W Chief's Special, 5-shot revolver. Or even an Air-Lite with a light hollowpoint load.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
08/01/2016 at 14:24

There was the big terrorist attack of a school in Russia some years back where the armed citizenry took out some of responders. I'll look it up later when I'm in front of a computer and make a more robust reference.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
08/01/2016 at 14:25

Yes, but there's also nothing hunterly about an AR-15.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > duurtlang
08/01/2016 at 14:26

I should think the grass would tend to appear greener on one's own side of the Pond.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > duurtlang
08/01/2016 at 14:26

+1 for the Impala.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Ash78, voting early and often
08/01/2016 at 14:26

Hater.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Ash78, voting early and often
08/01/2016 at 14:27

And torn a reasonable person ought to be.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
08/01/2016 at 14:28

Yes, there is. An AR-15 is quite popular for some forms of hunting in the guise of a longer barreled variant with scope - part of it being a very versatile platform. See also some of its relatives chambered in other calibers.

ttyymmnn > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
08/01/2016 at 14:31

You’re suggesting that Mrs. Ttyymmnn should start carrying?

Chariotoflove > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
08/01/2016 at 14:34

Wouldn’t open carry be a better standard than concealed?

TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. > Chariotoflove
08/01/2016 at 14:36

Problem with open carry vs concealed carry is that if your state requires CCP but allows open carry, as soon as you put a coat on you’re now a felon.

Honestly I think the biggest problem that needs to be solved is the fact that states don’t report 100% of people who aren’t legally allowed to own firearms to the NICS so you have a very large number of violent felons who can pass a background check because the state they committed the crime in didn’t bother to let everyone else know...

http://mikerowe.com/2016/01/ive-ju…

Chariotoflove > TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts.
08/01/2016 at 14:39

Devil’s in the details.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
08/01/2016 at 15:01

Russia doesn’t have the best history with armed citizenry, admitted. Even when they’re not screwing over an armed populace or militia on purpose . Another anniversary today, fancy that.

duurtlang > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
08/01/2016 at 15:11

That’s a fair analysis.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
08/01/2016 at 15:21

“Guise” is an apt word choice.

The AR-15 was conceived as a combat weapon, not a hunting rifle.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > ttyymmnn
08/01/2016 at 15:22

An absurd notion it would be if I were. No, I was being ironic.

crowmolly > DipodomysDeserti
08/01/2016 at 15:23

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Chariotoflove
08/01/2016 at 15:23

I don’t know. Seems to me that if you’re carrying, it doesn’t matter where, only that you are qualified and safe, which are supremely subjective terms.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Chariotoflove
08/01/2016 at 15:24

Agreed.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
08/01/2016 at 15:25

There are countries that I like and countries that I do not like. Russia is in the latter category. I’m not even interested in visiting.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > duurtlang
08/01/2016 at 15:29

Without any shade. I lived, if you want to call it that, in Germany, from ‘87 to ‘90 as a U.S. soldier. I think I can claim to have been a better ambassador than many of my associates. I enjoyed my time there very much, though I never made it across the English Channel. It seems we are all having troubles these days.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
08/01/2016 at 15:34

However, the same qualities that make it a good service rifle make it excellent for many other purposes, everything from modularity to relatively low cost of components. Particularly home defense, actually - manageable recoil, light weight, minimal bullet size, and short barrell lengths all combine to make a far better weapon for a 60 year old woman to answer her door with than a shotgun... our Vice President’s idiotic advice to fire shotgun blasts through the door notwithstanding.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
08/01/2016 at 15:40

I did not see this comment until just now. I think there is a fair discussion that reasonable people can have about military platforms and lethality and and all of that. I think your phrase gun ban rationales would be a good topical heading for that conversation.

Clearly, what you present here on that topic is well and thoroughly considered by you and reads of experience. I would say about my own consideration and experience that I quit the NRA after Sandy Hook, and that I enjoy firing 100-round belts out of a fully functional M-60 every few years when I visit my cousin in Virginia.

If anything I address to you here on this subject comes across as even remotely disrespectful, please give me the benefit of the doubt that my intent is positive and constructive.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
08/01/2016 at 15:43

And legislators are always thoughtful and clever, particularly when drafting firearms legislation.

*Recalls that the thread was initially about irony .*

Chariotoflove > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
08/01/2016 at 15:45

Yeah, I guess so. Problem is, whether or not you can see the guns around you, you have no idea how the wearers are planning to use them. The biggest argument I’ve heard for open carry is that bad actors would be deterred by seeing all the people around them that could make them pay for a misdeed. But, since most of those people planning a shooting seem to be crazy, I don’t know how much water that argument holds.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
08/01/2016 at 15:46

Conversely, a deer rifle, appropriately modified, makes a helluva sniper rifle, but not what I would consider a service rifle.

Give the 60-year-old woman a Mini-14 if you want her to answer her door with .223, but I think the comparison is a stretch here, and what that woman answers her door with might make a good subtopic.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
08/01/2016 at 15:47

No worries on that front. I will admit that I have at times found your freestanding political posts excessively glib, but you at least are interested in exploring points rather than a shouting-down on purely emoted and flawed first principles (not naming any names here). If you were posting in a vacuum, I would engage your discussions more often, but due to some issues with this realm as a Gawkerverse attachment I have come to think better of doing so. Not productive. As to respect and disrespect, I’m the one using an avatar of a man sniffing glue, so the worst possible thing you could do is take me too seriously.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Chariotoflove
08/01/2016 at 15:48

We Americans and our guns... I don’t blame any other nationality for thinking we’re all nutcases. And our screwed-up policing comes straight out of that.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
08/01/2016 at 15:51

I think the crux of the issue is that I fundamentally reject the premise that cosmetic or common functional features a service rifle make,and more significantly that having broad service qualities is in any way disqualifying for private ownership. The popular phrase “founders couldn’t imagine anything beyond a musket” is one of the most perfidious claims in modern discourse and nothing more than a lie.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
08/01/2016 at 15:57

Thank you for the feedback. Would you consider expounding upon what you mean by “excessively glib?”

The current politics are upsetting to me in the extreme. I try to point out absurdity for what it is, regardless of who is creating it.

I am interested in what you write about “Gawkerverse attachment” and “come to think better of [responding].” I would hate to think that a thoughtful guy like yourself might have something interesting to reply to a post of mine and choose not to. I find that regrettable.

I consider myself a relative Oppo newbie and I am still finding my voice. I do not post comments in any other forum.

And I could never have guessed what was happening in your avatar...

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
08/01/2016 at 16:01

As we look at the semantics, I am in 100% agreement with you. I make no case that a person should not be able to own an AR-15. But to argue that an AR is somehow appropriate for hunting deer strikes me as, well, absurd. By the same token, I consider what F1 cars have become and I question whether the gain in technologies has come at a cost of sport.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
08/01/2016 at 16:04

“Excessively glib” - A short link to an absurdity or relative absurdity, sometimes compounded by a wry sentence (very often, the thrust of which I disagree with), laid (perhaps unwittingly) as bait for the numerous virtue signalers and fainting-couchers to pounce on and engage in either competitive raising of dudgeon (“OUTRAGE! OUTRAGE!”) or long jeremiads of doom. Usually already started by the time I see the post, and with the discussion thus framed I tend not to have anything to add that wouldn’t degenerate into a flame war.

I’ve found “current politics” deeply upsetting since at least 1995 (I was a precocious 10 year old in the extreme), but haven’t found any such commentary or hand-wringing to be productive. That’s about it.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
08/01/2016 at 16:13

Regard, if you will, the .22-250 hunting round in comparison with a NATO 5.56. Both are .22 caliber, and the 40-64 grain weights of the .22-250 overlap the 62-64 grain range of the 5.56 neatly - if anything, a heavier bullet is more suitable for hunting purposes. Surprisingly, the .22-250 bullet is even at its extreme a faster bullet by ~20%. In other words, .223 and 5.56 rounds are eminently suitable for game. A long-barreled Bushmaster with a scope can be easily rucked into a deer hunting location, and used exactly as a “traditional” wooden stock rifle, with more ability to sweep medium ranges with ease. In fact, that’s what’s intended. The only hunter’s quibble would be if the hunter brought a 30-round magazine with them, which is wholly unnecessary *for that task*. For a militia or even target practice purpose - both wholly legitimate - the 30-round is not so absurd.

It’s only absurd to an older generation who haven’t gone “tacti-cool” in their approach to hunting. The practicality is there, much as putting Michelin Pilot SuperSports on one’s sports car.

DipodomysDeserti > TheD0k_2many toys 2little time
08/01/2016 at 16:15

Perfect. I’m sure your years of training against cans in your backyard has fully prepared you to shoot someone while receiving fire in a crowded setting.

God help us all.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
08/01/2016 at 16:20

Yes. And in the midst of it, I hope that someone will add, and frequently someone does, something thoughtful that helps me to broaden my view of whatever it is.

Jump to some older thread and lay it on me. I beseech you...

I don’t need to share your taste to value your opinion. In fact, I’d probably value it all the more.

I'd love to have a coffee with you sometime. Thoughtful humans can be a precious commodity.

DipodomysDeserti > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
08/01/2016 at 16:23

Gotcha. I’d have to image, though, that Whitman, as a trained Marine, would have been able to kill a hell of a lot more than 49 people if he had an AR-15. And I mean, some rando was able to kill 49 people with a handgun in Florida.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
08/01/2016 at 16:25

I think we established some months ago that I have about twenty years on you. Tacti-cool is definitely not in my wheelhouse. Neither is hunting, if I am honest. As far as I am concerned, at the moment we are discussing implements for a given task and not ownership rights, which should be but carefully impinged.

crowmolly > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
08/01/2016 at 16:27

Not to jump the line ahead of Ramblin, but it stems from the nature of Gawker/Kinja. It is difficult to have discussions about sensitive subjects like firearms without somebody getting bent out of shape or speaking from a place of ignorance. Even if the person you are replying to is mature and open minded there can be a swarm of others that offer little but insults and aggression. Not so much on Oppo but it can be pretty bad everywhere else.

As an example, think of someone who has never lived outside of a city and what their perspective may be on guns. Now add in a farmer who has to shoot wild boars and coyotes to keep his livestock alive. (Probably) two very different perspectives, both with equal merit. But that doesn’t tend to fly well on here. You never know who will come at you.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > DipodomysDeserti
08/01/2016 at 16:27

Perhaps. Perhaps not, as things would surely have escalated even faster than they did. As to FL, worries about bombs, a contained killing zone, and three hours of isolation are a hell of a thing. A Japanese-style subway-stabber could dream of such opportunity.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
08/01/2016 at 16:32

I’m also somewhat of a throwback for my age. Had a shotgun session on Saturday, and while I like my cousin’s KelTec with its two selectable feeds, there’s really something to be said for the point and click qualities of the old Iver Johnson I was using. Targets only - KelTec for wild hogs, Iver for ducks, if I were choosing by task. Although that nice pre-WWII Auto-5 down at the pawn shop would be a happy medium...

Kinja'd!!!

Much like this one.

BReLp7dzHM3ytYsE > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
08/01/2016 at 18:04

Mmmmmm is that an A5?

BReLp7dzHM3ytYsE > Ash78, voting early and often
08/01/2016 at 18:08

Or maybe have the university require that the student has gone through a requisite training course in order to carry or have guns on campus

Ash78, voting early and often > BReLp7dzHM3ytYsE
08/01/2016 at 18:11

Yep, that would be another good interim step. Just something that says "We encourage people to carry, but we have a little higher standard than just the basic firearm courses." (I believe TX requires a 1-2 day class for a couple hundred bucks. Here in AL, just a background check and $7 in my county).

BReLp7dzHM3ytYsE > Ash78, voting early and often
08/01/2016 at 18:13

Yeah I'm pretty sure here in TN you have to go through a class and pass a written test along with an actual test where you shoot targets. I see nothing wrong with that.

fintail > duurtlang
08/01/2016 at 18:14

To be fair, that’s a fleet-only car that isn’t sold new to private customers anymore, was introduced for MY 2006, and is based on one from MY 2000.

Not claiming it is something I would choose even as a rental, but it has an excuse.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
08/01/2016 at 18:31

If I were tasked with naming a single favorite firearm, it would be the M1 Garand rifle. Big, heavy, accurate, dependable and devastating.

Second place would be an all out brawl between a number of double-acting revolvers. A Ruger Alaskan in a big bore like .454 Casull, an S&W in .357 mag...

To our earlier conversation, I like the Mini 14, but it feels a bit cheesy in the hand. All of these choices are based upon aesthetics and practicality. I do not hunt and the tacti-cool thing, thank you for that new-to-me nomenclature BTW, just strikes me as belonging LEAs and the military.

Thank you for the dialog.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > crowmolly
08/01/2016 at 18:35

Yes. Oppo is an extraordinary community, an anti-reddit. I just ignore the junky stuff and use a dismiss once in a while, though not because I disagree with someone, only if they’re being intentionally annoying.

I do not spend any time in any other forum. Not even Facebook.

Thanks for the comment.

TheD0k_2many toys 2little time > DipodomysDeserti
08/01/2016 at 18:56

Yea but i rarely carry. So im screwed.

crowmolly > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
08/01/2016 at 19:40

I dunno what it is about revolvers but I am the same way. Although I am more partial to a Python or Model 29.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > crowmolly
08/01/2016 at 20:31

Hard for me to choose one. No rack, no jam. Nothing moving around when it recoils. Easy to clean.

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > ttyymmnn
08/01/2016 at 23:25

i don’t think i would trust any of my classmates.

A) Tired from working late

B) hungover from partying

C) generally tired from engineering homework. etc

I don’t trust civilians to be able to make a split second transformation into a steven seagal.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > BReLp7dzHM3ytYsE
08/02/2016 at 08:48

Yes it is. It’s posted as an example because there’s an original production FN A-5 in a local pawn shop that dates from before WWII. Its serial is in the 45,000 range - pre-war A-5s run from 1-248,000 or something like that. It’s a little rough, but they only want like $450 for it.

BReLp7dzHM3ytYsE > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
08/02/2016 at 09:37

Wow. I’d buy it. I hunt with a BAR so I’m a bit fond of the classic Browning humpback design.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > BReLp7dzHM3ytYsE
08/02/2016 at 09:41

I will consider it if it’s still there in like a month. I mean, I’m in the middle of enough financial shuffling around that money’s tight, but it’s classy as all hell. Also, lol that you hunt with a BAR. Some commenters have missed the memo that military-look arms are actually really good for that.

BReLp7dzHM3ytYsE > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
08/02/2016 at 09:46

The BAR looks nothing like an AR though. But yes, AR platform rifles are good for hunting, just not bigger game. Nobody really seems to understand that.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > crowmolly
08/02/2016 at 10:47

Kinja'd!!!

crowmolly > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
08/02/2016 at 10:49

Yup! The older ones (no dash) in stainless are really nice too.

Kinja'd!!!

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > crowmolly
08/02/2016 at 10:56

Kinja'd!!!

Generally speaking, I prefer .357, as it would still knock the crap out of someone but be a bit more manageable. But with a 158-grain load, a .357 is a handful. I have a friend who is a CHP officer who carries an air-lite .357 stubby as his back-up gun. Says he keeps factory loads in it.

The picture is of me holding my cousin’s Ruger Super Alaskan that’s chambered in .454 Casull. Bear repellant. A superb revolver.

crowmolly > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
08/02/2016 at 10:59

Hence my love of the Python :)

Kinja'd!!!

The nice thing about a .357 is that you have the option to shoot cheaper and easier .38spl most of the time and leave .357 for carry or a few cylinders worth.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > crowmolly
08/02/2016 at 11:10

There’s a YouTube video of a guy who gets stuck up in a business by a guy who has a Derringer, and the guy pulls what I’m pretty sure is a Model 29 and the would-be thief leaves in such haste that he drops his gun. If I can find it, I’ll share it to you.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > crowmolly
08/02/2016 at 11:11

Nice. For my taste, that’s a bit too much gun, overall. But it’s a beauty.

crowmolly > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
08/02/2016 at 11:15

Yeah, I’m bigger in stature so the larger guns aren’t as much of an issue. However I can have issues with grip on anything smaller than a G19.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > crowmolly
08/02/2016 at 12:10

I have strong hands and I enjoy the challenge of holding onto a revolver. Dirty Harry was a badass, but I’ve always been skeptical of the one-handed shooting he does with that .44...

crowmolly > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
08/02/2016 at 12:17

Had to be .44 special or low power loads, right?

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > crowmolly
08/02/2016 at 12:23

My thinking. Or, for the movie, blanks... But I bet .44 Spl would be pretty hurtful.